QUOTE(lotute @ 2008 01 30, 19:31)
o žinias ar matėt? ar tik kikenat į saują ir bokalais mojuojat?
QUOTE(Gege @ 2008 01 30, 19:27)
Taupyk. O as nesinervuoju. Nematau ko ir del ko. Man paprasciausiai butu idomus atsakymas kaip tiksliai tampama homoseksualu. Galim cia tu "laiskrasciu" skaityt iki apakimo - nu ner to atsakymo.
Tolerancijos 100 procentu is visu , niekada nebus ir nelauk
Idedu dar karta.
American Psychological Association.
POLICY STATEMENT
Sexual Orientation, Parents, &Children
Adopted by the APA Council of Representatives July 28 & 30, 2004.
RESEARCH SUMMARY
Lesbian and Gay Parents
Many lesbians and gay men are parents. In the 2000 U. S. Census, 33% of female same-sex couple households and 22% of male same-sex couple households reported at least one child under the age of 18 living in the home. Despite the significant presence of at least 163,879 households headed by lesbian or gay parents in U.S. society, three major concerns about lesbian and gay parents are commonly voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). These include concerns that lesbians and gay men are mentally ill, that lesbians are less maternal than heterosexual women, and that lesbians' and gay men's relationships with their sexual partners leave little time for their relationships with their children. In general, research has failed to provide a basis for any of these concerns (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). First, homosexuality is not a psychological disorder (Conger, 1975). Although exposure to prejudice and discrimination based on sexual orientation may cause acute distress (Mays & Cochran, 2001; Meyer, 2003), there is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002). Lesbian and heterosexual women have not been found to differ markedly in their approaches to child rearing (Patterson, 2000; Tasker, 1999). Members of gay and lesbian couples with children have been found to divide the work involved in childcare evenly, and to be satisfied with their relationships with their partners (Patterson, 2000, 2004a). The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual parents. There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents on the basis of their sexual orientation (Armesto, 2002; Patterson, 2000; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children.
Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents
As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased, three major concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). One is that the children of lesbian and gay parents will experience more difficulties in the area of sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents. For instance, one such concern is that children brought up by lesbian mothers or gay fathers will show disturbances in gender identity and/or in gender role behavior. A second category of concerns involves aspects of children's personal development other than sexual identity. For example, some observers have expressed fears that children in the custody of gay or lesbian parents would be more vulnerable to mental breakdown, would exhibit more adjustment difficulties and behavior problems, or would be less psychologically healthy than other children. A third category of concerns is that children of lesbian and gay parents will experience difficulty in social relationships. For example, some observers have expressed concern that children living with lesbian mothers or gay fathers will be stigmatized, teased, or otherwise victimized by peers. Another common fear is that children living with gay or lesbian parents will be more likely to be sexually abused by the parent or by the parent's friends or acquaintances.
Results of social science research have failed to confirm any of these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999). Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a). Studies of other aspects of personal development (including personality, self-concept, and conduct) similarly reveal few differences between children of lesbian mothers and children of heterosexual parents (Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). However, few data regarding these concerns are available for children of gay fathers (Patterson, 2004b). Evidence also suggests that children of lesbian and gay parents have normal social relationships with peers and adults (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). The picture that emerges from research is one of general engagement in social life with peers, parents, family members, and friends. Fears about children of lesbian or gay parents being sexually abused by adults, ostracized by peers, or isolated in single-sex lesbian or gay communities have received no scientific support. Overall, results of research suggest that the development, adjustment, and well-being of children with lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from that of children with heterosexual parents.
Resolution
WHEREAS APA supports policy and legislation that promote safe, secure, and nurturing environments for all children (DeLeon, 1993, 1995; Fox, 1991; Levant, 2000);
WHEREAS APA has a long-established policy to deplore "all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians" and urges "the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men" (Conger, 1975);
WHEREAS the APA adopted the Resolution on Child Custody and Placement in 1976 (Conger, 1977, p. 432)
WHEREAS Discrimination against lesbian and gay parents deprives their children of benefits, rights, and privileges enjoyed by children of heterosexual married couples;
WHEREAS some jurisdictions prohibit gay and lesbian individuals and same-sex couples from adopting children, notwithstanding the great need for adoptive parents (Lofton v. Secretary, 2004);
WHEREAS there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);
WHEREAS research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish (Patterson, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001);
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the APA opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA believes that children reared by a same-sex couple benefit from legal ties to each parent;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA supports the protection of parent-child relationships through the legalization of joint adoptions and second parent adoptions of children being reared by same-sex couples;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA shall take a leadership role in opposing all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA encourages psychologists to act to eliminate all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services in their practice, research, education and training (American Psychological Association, 2002);
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA shall provide scientific and educational resources that inform public discussion and public policy development regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services and that assist its members, divisions, and affiliated state, provincial, and territorial psychological associations.
Lotute, apie Vaitoska mes jau kalbejom. Zmogus turintis krikscioniskos seimos specialisto laispni (nebepamenu kaip ten tiksliai vadinasi - paieskojus temoj rastum) negali kitaip kalbet. O ir tavo idetas straipsnis.. nejaugi pati nejauti kad labai saliskas?
Siaip jau ir man nervinu lasteliu pagailo. Ir laiko kuri cia sugaisau. Perniek. Gal tikrai dar lietuviai totaliai nepribrende kitokiems zmonems. Gaila. Juk butent jusu vaikai badys kitus pirstai ir isvadins "nenormaliu" "iskrypeliu" arba "ligoniu" vaikais.
American Psychological Association.
POLICY STATEMENT
Sexual Orientation, Parents, &Children
Adopted by the APA Council of Representatives July 28 & 30, 2004.
RESEARCH SUMMARY
Lesbian and Gay Parents
Many lesbians and gay men are parents. In the 2000 U. S. Census, 33% of female same-sex couple households and 22% of male same-sex couple households reported at least one child under the age of 18 living in the home. Despite the significant presence of at least 163,879 households headed by lesbian or gay parents in U.S. society, three major concerns about lesbian and gay parents are commonly voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). These include concerns that lesbians and gay men are mentally ill, that lesbians are less maternal than heterosexual women, and that lesbians' and gay men's relationships with their sexual partners leave little time for their relationships with their children. In general, research has failed to provide a basis for any of these concerns (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). First, homosexuality is not a psychological disorder (Conger, 1975). Although exposure to prejudice and discrimination based on sexual orientation may cause acute distress (Mays & Cochran, 2001; Meyer, 2003), there is no reliable evidence that homosexual orientation per se impairs psychological functioning. Second, beliefs that lesbian and gay adults are not fit parents have no empirical foundation (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002). Lesbian and heterosexual women have not been found to differ markedly in their approaches to child rearing (Patterson, 2000; Tasker, 1999). Members of gay and lesbian couples with children have been found to divide the work involved in childcare evenly, and to be satisfied with their relationships with their partners (Patterson, 2000, 2004a). The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual parents. There is no scientific basis for concluding that lesbian mothers or gay fathers are unfit parents on the basis of their sexual orientation (Armesto, 2002; Patterson, 2000; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). On the contrary, results of research suggest that lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children.
Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents
As the social visibility and legal status of lesbian and gay parents has increased, three major concerns about the influence of lesbian and gay parents on children have been often voiced (Falk, 1994; Patterson, Fulcher & Wainright, 2002). One is that the children of lesbian and gay parents will experience more difficulties in the area of sexual identity than children of heterosexual parents. For instance, one such concern is that children brought up by lesbian mothers or gay fathers will show disturbances in gender identity and/or in gender role behavior. A second category of concerns involves aspects of children's personal development other than sexual identity. For example, some observers have expressed fears that children in the custody of gay or lesbian parents would be more vulnerable to mental breakdown, would exhibit more adjustment difficulties and behavior problems, or would be less psychologically healthy than other children. A third category of concerns is that children of lesbian and gay parents will experience difficulty in social relationships. For example, some observers have expressed concern that children living with lesbian mothers or gay fathers will be stigmatized, teased, or otherwise victimized by peers. Another common fear is that children living with gay or lesbian parents will be more likely to be sexually abused by the parent or by the parent's friends or acquaintances.
Results of social science research have failed to confirm any of these concerns about children of lesbian and gay parents (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999). Research suggests that sexual identities (including gender identity, gender-role behavior, and sexual orientation) develop in much the same ways among children of lesbian mothers as they do among children of heterosexual parents (Patterson, 2004a). Studies of other aspects of personal development (including personality, self-concept, and conduct) similarly reveal few differences between children of lesbian mothers and children of heterosexual parents (Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999). However, few data regarding these concerns are available for children of gay fathers (Patterson, 2004b). Evidence also suggests that children of lesbian and gay parents have normal social relationships with peers and adults (Patterson, 2000, 2004a; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001; Tasker, 1999; Tasker & Golombok, 1997). The picture that emerges from research is one of general engagement in social life with peers, parents, family members, and friends. Fears about children of lesbian or gay parents being sexually abused by adults, ostracized by peers, or isolated in single-sex lesbian or gay communities have received no scientific support. Overall, results of research suggest that the development, adjustment, and well-being of children with lesbian and gay parents do not differ markedly from that of children with heterosexual parents.
Resolution
WHEREAS APA supports policy and legislation that promote safe, secure, and nurturing environments for all children (DeLeon, 1993, 1995; Fox, 1991; Levant, 2000);
WHEREAS APA has a long-established policy to deplore "all public and private discrimination against gay men and lesbians" and urges "the repeal of all discriminatory legislation against lesbians and gay men" (Conger, 1975);
WHEREAS the APA adopted the Resolution on Child Custody and Placement in 1976 (Conger, 1977, p. 432)
WHEREAS Discrimination against lesbian and gay parents deprives their children of benefits, rights, and privileges enjoyed by children of heterosexual married couples;
WHEREAS some jurisdictions prohibit gay and lesbian individuals and same-sex couples from adopting children, notwithstanding the great need for adoptive parents (Lofton v. Secretary, 2004);
WHEREAS there is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children (Patterson, 2000, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Tasker, 1999);
WHEREAS research has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish (Patterson, 2004; Perrin, 2002; Stacey & Biblarz, 2001);
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the APA opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA believes that children reared by a same-sex couple benefit from legal ties to each parent;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA supports the protection of parent-child relationships through the legalization of joint adoptions and second parent adoptions of children being reared by same-sex couples;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA shall take a leadership role in opposing all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services;
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that APA encourages psychologists to act to eliminate all discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services in their practice, research, education and training (American Psychological Association, 2002);
THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the APA shall provide scientific and educational resources that inform public discussion and public policy development regarding discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services and that assist its members, divisions, and affiliated state, provincial, and territorial psychological associations.
Lotute, apie Vaitoska mes jau kalbejom. Zmogus turintis krikscioniskos seimos specialisto laispni (nebepamenu kaip ten tiksliai vadinasi - paieskojus temoj rastum) negali kitaip kalbet. O ir tavo idetas straipsnis.. nejaugi pati nejauti kad labai saliskas?
Siaip jau ir man nervinu lasteliu pagailo. Ir laiko kuri cia sugaisau. Perniek. Gal tikrai dar lietuviai totaliai nepribrende kitokiems zmonems. Gaila. Juk butent jusu vaikai badys kitus pirstai ir isvadins "nenormaliu" "iskrypeliu" arba "ligoniu" vaikais.
jum dar nenusibodo cia gincytis? gi vis tiek nieko nepakeisit,nuo jusu niekas nepriklausys..... 
gi vis tiek nieko nepakeisit,nuo jusu niekas nepriklausys.....
QUOTE(lotute @ 2008 01 30, 19:22)
Mergaites, Jus nepykit, jos paprasciausiai nenori girdeti kitu nuomones todel ir nenori nieko zinoti Juk musu nuomone nesutampa su juju
Juk musu nuomone nesutampa su juju Atsiprasau, bet moksliniu straipsniu - rimtu - apie homoseksualuma is netradicines orientacijos zmones uzstojanciosios puses kone kiekvienam lape galima surasti, o pries homoseksualus (as cia jau praktiskai sakau ne pries ivaikinima, nes pasirodo ne nuo to cia diskusija prasidet reikia) pasisakantys zmones faktu isskyrus pora kunigu ar siaip baznycios atstovu pasisakymu ( kuriu svarumas visuomeniniu lygiu, kuriuo ir diskutuojama si problema, tikiuosi yra suvokiams?) ir patirties bei savo nuomones neidejo..
taip, as zinau kad sita diskusija yra visiskai beviltiska ir nieko cia neirodysi. juolab jog 100% irodymu cia ir nera. tiesiog man kartais baisu darosi, kokia didele netolerancija musu visuomeneje ir kai pagalvoju, jog mano vaikai irgi augs visuomeneje kurioje privatus lovos reikalai iskeliami kaip pagrindine zmogaus savybe
Nepamirskite, jog nebutina sutikti su viskuo. Bet visokia nuomone turi buti toleruojama. Kaip ir toleruojami turi buti visokie zmones
Mes esam visuomenes nariai. Nuo baznycios atsietos - demokratiiskos. Vadinasi mes turime betarpiskai toleruoti kitokius zmones net jeigu ir nepritariame tam, ka jei daro, kol tai nepazeidzia musu laisviu. Matyt lengviau but aklam nei rimtai paziuret i problema. Homoseksualai visada sekmingai galejo ir gali isivaikinti vaikus, kas garantuoja jog isivaikinantis zmogus yra heteroseksualus, ir kaip ta galima garantuoti? Juokinga...
QUOTE(paneleroze @ 2008 01 30, 20:01)
O kas yra seima?
Ar esi isitikinus, kad seimoje, kur tetis ir mama, isauga tik pilnaverciai pilieciai? O kuo homoseksualas yra nepilnavertis?
Ar esi isitikinus, kad seimoje, kur tetis ir mama, isauga tik pilnaverciai pilieciai? O kuo homoseksualas yra nepilnavertis?
....šeima - vyro ir moters sąjunga .
Homoseksualas tai tas pats (bent jau man) kaip ir narkomanas , alkoholikas ....nemanau ,kad buti tokiu , reiškia būti normaliu žmogumi .Vyras turi būt vyru , o moteris - moterim .Taip sukūrė motinėlė gamta .
QUOTE(ragnez @ 2008 01 30, 19:29)
Lietuvoje homoseksualūs asmenys bent artimiausioje ateityje vargiai gali tikėtis turėti įvaikių ne tik dėl galiojančių įstatymų, bet ir dėl visuomenės požiūrio, kuris galėtų traumuoti dviejų tėčių ar mamų auginamus nepilnamečius. Įvaikio trokštantys gėjai bei lesbietės galėtų nebent įtikinti atitinkamas institucijas esantys tradicinės seksualinės orientacijos.
man rods jiems nelabai sunkiai tai pavyktų. jei jau patys įstatymai prašyte prašosi būti apeinami ...
QUOTE(ragnez @ 2008 01 30, 20:57)
per amzius amen.
QUOTE(garbane @ 2008 01 30, 21:06)
Vargeli tu mano. Juk jau idejau net ne viena moksliniais irodymais pagrista straipsni kur juoda ant balto parasyta, kad homosexualais gimstama ir nera jokiu pagristu irodymu, kad tampama.
Daugiau nekartosiu. Akivaizdziai nenorit zinot.
Homoseksualumo geno nėra. Visi mes savo vystymosi pradžioje esame vienos lyties - moteriškos. Vyriškos lyties asmenimis tampama įsijungus sudėtingiems hormoniams mechanizmams nėštumo pradžioje. Homoseksualumas atsiranda dėl daugelio priežaščių tame tarpe ir psichologinių ir fiziologinių.Kai kurių mokslininkų nuomone, mes visi esame šiek tiek homoseksualūs, tik pas kiekvieną tas homoseksualumas skirtingai išreikštas, priklausomai nuo įvairių faktorių, kurie gali veikti žmogų jam vystantis ar bręstant.
