QUOTE(lazdona @ 2010 07 15, 09:04)
Na, karai, žudynės, prievarta niekur nedingo.... Kodėl tuomet turėtų stebint pavienių asmenų žiaurumas?
QUOTE(Lašelis Liūdnas @ 2010 07 15, 09:53)
Ir ką jums duos tie apibendrinimai, skaičiai, faktai? Statistiką renkat? 
arba rašo kokį nors straipsniuką
Jau ne viena tokiu būdu darbus rašė, remdamasi mamų klausinėjimais ir keldama dirbtines diskusijų audras 
QUOTE(Lašelis Liūdnas @ 2010 07 15, 10:07)
Na, karai, žudynės, prievarta niekur nedingo.... Kodėl tuomet turėtų stebint pavienių asmenų žiaurumas?
bet tai neturi būti toleruojama
QUOTE(gupija @ 2010 07 15, 10:10)
arba rašo kokį nors straipsniuką :mirksiukas: Jau ne viena tokiu būdu darbus rašė, remdamasi mamų klausinėjimais ir keldama dirbtines diskusijų audras :D
O gera ideja!
Is tiesu jau tiek esu surinkus info, kad galeciau nebloga parasyt :-) gal jei vaikutis bus ramus, tikrai prisiruosiu? Gal sukils diskusijos, gal net pavyktu suburt iniciatyvine grupe del Cezario iteisinimo pilnai informuotai moteriai to pageidaujant ...
Esu nestuke man iki termino 5 sav ir tiesiog atidziai ruosiuos gimdymui. Kas cia keisto? Manau kiekviena daugiau maziau daro ta pati, gal as tik labai detaliai ir kruopsciai.
QUOTE(Pellagija @ 2010 07 15, 09:38)
O gera ideja!
Is tiesu jau tiek esu surinkus info, kad galeciau nebloga parasyt :-) gal jei vaikutis bus ramus, tikrai prisiruosiu? Gal sukils diskusijos, gal net pavyktu suburt iniciatyvine grupe del Cezario iteisinimo pilnai informuotai moteriai to pageidaujant ...
Esu nestuke man iki termino 5 sav ir tiesiog atidziai ruosiuos gimdymui. Kas cia keisto? Manau kiekviena daugiau maziau daro ta pati, gal as tik labai detaliai ir kruopsciai.
Is tiesu jau tiek esu surinkus info, kad galeciau nebloga parasyt :-) gal jei vaikutis bus ramus, tikrai prisiruosiu? Gal sukils diskusijos, gal net pavyktu suburt iniciatyvine grupe del Cezario iteisinimo pilnai informuotai moteriai to pageidaujant ...
Esu nestuke man iki termino 5 sav ir tiesiog atidziai ruosiuos gimdymui. Kas cia keisto? Manau kiekviena daugiau maziau daro ta pati, gal as tik labai detaliai ir kruopsciai.
Čia kaip?
Egzaminas bus prieš gimdymą organizuotas, kad išsiaiškint, kiek ji informuota?
more women suffer post natal depression after a c-section than those that take the natural route.
Childbirth is a distressing time for the baby and should not be forced upon it for no reason other than convenience
Va dar:
Cons of c-section:
* Physical problems in mothers: Compared with vaginal birth, cesarean section increases a woman's risk for a number of physical problems. These range from less common but potentially life-threatening problems, including hemorrhage (severe bleeding), blood clots, and bowel obstruction, to much more common concerns such as longer-lasting and more severe pain and infection. Even after recovery from surgery, scarring and adhesion tissue increase risk for ongoing pelvic pain and for twisted bowel.
* Hospitalization of mothers: If a woman has a cesarean, she is more likely to stay in the hospital longer and is at greater risk of being re-hospitalized.
* Emotional well-being of mothers: A woman who has a cesarean section may be at greater risk for poorer overall mental health and some emotional problems. She is also more likely to rate her birth experience poorer than a woman who has had a vaginal birth.
* Early contact with, feelings toward babies: A woman who has a cesarean usually has less early contact with her baby and is more likely to have initial negative feelings about her baby.
* Breastfeeding: Recovery from surgery poses challenges for getting breastfeeding under way, and a baby who was born by cesarean is less likely to be breastfed and get the benefits of breastfeeding.
* Health of babies: Babies born by cesarean are more likely to:
o be cut during the surgery (usually minor)
o have breathing difficulties around the time of birth
o experience asthma in childhood and in adulthood.
* Future reproductive problems for mothers: A cesarean section in this pregnancy puts a woman at risk for future reproductive problems in comparison with a woman who has a vaginal birth. These problems may involve serious complications and medical emergencies. The likelihood of experiencing some of these conditions goes up sharply as the number of previous cesareans increases. These problems include:
o ectopic pregnancy: pregnancies that develop outside her uterus or within the scar
o reduced fertility, due to either less ability to become pregnant again or less desire to do so
o placenta previa: the placenta attaches near or over the opening to her cervix
o placenta accreta: the placenta grows through the lining of the uterus and into or through the muscle of the uterus
o placental abruption: the placenta detaches from the uterus before the baby is born
o rupture of the uterus: the uterine scar gives way during pregnancy or labor.
* [B]Concerns about babies in future pregnancies: A cesarean section in this pregnancy can affect the babies of future pregnancies. Studies have found that they are more likely to:
o be born too early (preterm)
o weigh less than they should (low birthweight)
o have a physical abnormality or injury to their brain or spinal cord
o die before or shortly after the birth
Atleiskit, kad anglu kalba, bet kam aktualu supras
Childbirth is a distressing time for the baby and should not be forced upon it for no reason other than convenience
Va dar:
Cons of c-section:
* Physical problems in mothers: Compared with vaginal birth, cesarean section increases a woman's risk for a number of physical problems. These range from less common but potentially life-threatening problems, including hemorrhage (severe bleeding), blood clots, and bowel obstruction, to much more common concerns such as longer-lasting and more severe pain and infection. Even after recovery from surgery, scarring and adhesion tissue increase risk for ongoing pelvic pain and for twisted bowel.
* Hospitalization of mothers: If a woman has a cesarean, she is more likely to stay in the hospital longer and is at greater risk of being re-hospitalized.
* Emotional well-being of mothers: A woman who has a cesarean section may be at greater risk for poorer overall mental health and some emotional problems. She is also more likely to rate her birth experience poorer than a woman who has had a vaginal birth.
* Early contact with, feelings toward babies: A woman who has a cesarean usually has less early contact with her baby and is more likely to have initial negative feelings about her baby.
* Breastfeeding: Recovery from surgery poses challenges for getting breastfeeding under way, and a baby who was born by cesarean is less likely to be breastfed and get the benefits of breastfeeding.
* Health of babies: Babies born by cesarean are more likely to:
o be cut during the surgery (usually minor)
o have breathing difficulties around the time of birth
o experience asthma in childhood and in adulthood.
* Future reproductive problems for mothers: A cesarean section in this pregnancy puts a woman at risk for future reproductive problems in comparison with a woman who has a vaginal birth. These problems may involve serious complications and medical emergencies. The likelihood of experiencing some of these conditions goes up sharply as the number of previous cesareans increases. These problems include:
o ectopic pregnancy: pregnancies that develop outside her uterus or within the scar
o reduced fertility, due to either less ability to become pregnant again or less desire to do so
o placenta previa: the placenta attaches near or over the opening to her cervix
o placenta accreta: the placenta grows through the lining of the uterus and into or through the muscle of the uterus
o placental abruption: the placenta detaches from the uterus before the baby is born
o rupture of the uterus: the uterine scar gives way during pregnancy or labor.
* [B]Concerns about babies in future pregnancies: A cesarean section in this pregnancy can affect the babies of future pregnancies. Studies have found that they are more likely to:
o be born too early (preterm)
o weigh less than they should (low birthweight)
o have a physical abnormality or injury to their brain or spinal cord
o die before or shortly after the birth
Atleiskit, kad anglu kalba, bet kam aktualu supras
Prašom dar info, jei norit remtis tyrimais dėl Cezario "gerovės" vaikui ir mamai:
http://www.csen.com/req.pdf
Nežinau Pegallija kur jūs ieškot, bet kiek trumpai permečiau, tai kažkaip neužkliūna už akių, kad būtų skatinamas Cezaris kaip "gėris" vaiko ir tuo pačiu motinos labui. Žinoma kalbu tik apie Cezarį kaip motinos gimdymo būdo pasirinkimą neesant jokioms medicininėms būtinybėms
http://www.csen.com/req.pdf
Nežinau Pegallija kur jūs ieškot, bet kiek trumpai permečiau, tai kažkaip neužkliūna už akių, kad būtų skatinamas Cezaris kaip "gėris" vaiko ir tuo pačiu motinos labui. Žinoma kalbu tik apie Cezarį kaip motinos gimdymo būdo pasirinkimą neesant jokioms medicininėms būtinybėms
QUOTE(Lašelis Liūdnas @ 2010 07 15, 10:51)
Čia kaip? :hm Egzaminas bus prieš gimdymą organizuotas, kad išsiaiškint, kiek ji informuota?
Kokia cia problema? Tereikia popieriaus lape isvardint abieju budu rizikas, galimas pasekmes, ir paimt parasa. Vis tiek parasus renka pries operacija. Aisku, idealiu atveju, reiktu uztikrint, kad gydytojai zodziu paaiskintu... Ir viskas.
Papildyta:
Jersey, jau rasiau, kad cezario trukumai placioj erdvej gausiai platinami, taciau naturalaus gimdymo rizikos salia nera pateikiamos.
As skaitau medicininiu zurnalu tyrimus.
Nera jokiu abejoniu, as visiskai neabejoju, kad sekmingas naturalus gimdymas yra daug geriau nei operacija. Problema kuria as matau yra ta, kad niekas negali garantuot naturalaus gimdymo sekmingo. Ypac manes netenkina galimo traumos vaikuciui naturalaus gimdymo atveju, jam daug saugiau gimti cezariu. Mamai rizikos cezario rimtos, bet tokios retos, kad daug rimciau atrodo ypatingai daznos naturalaus gimdymo pasekmes mamai.
Kas liecia tokius teiginius, kaip
Meiles nebuvimas, hormonu disbalansas- nera jokiu pagristu moksliniu irodymu, ir be to aplinka rodo visai kitaip: netiesa, kad mamos nemyli nesirupina cezarinukais. Kaip tik vaikai paliekami po naturaliu gimdymu ...
O tendencingu filmuku internete pilna, koks cezaris blogis. Sunku rasti, bet buna objektyvesniu, kurie normaliai isaiskina uz ir pries. Man ima atrodyti, kad as savo pasvarstymais Jus piktinu, tai gal as jau viska pasakiau ka norejau. Esu uz tai, kad moterys turetu pilna info, ji turi tokia teise, ir turetu teise rinktis. Ir pakartosiu, zaviuosi moterimis, kurios tokios drasios, ir ryztasi gimdyti pacios. Nuosirdziai kuo didziausios sekmes joms ir ju mazyliams.
Pellagija rimtai, matote ir ieskote to - ka norit matyt. Tema uzvesta be reikalo.
Darykites jus ta cezari jei taip jis jums atrodo patrauklus, bet ne irodinekite kad jis yra toks jau geris ypatingai vaiko ir kas be ko motinos sveikatai - tai absurdas
Darykites jus ta cezari jei taip jis jums atrodo patrauklus, bet ne irodinekite kad jis yra toks jau geris ypatingai vaiko ir kas be ko motinos sveikatai - tai absurdas
QUOTE(Jersey @ 2010 07 15, 11:54)
Pellagija rimtai, matote ir ieskote to - ka norit matyt. Tema uzvesta be reikalo.
Darykites jus ta cezari jei taip jis jums atrodo patrauklus, bet ne irodinekite kad jis yra toks jau geris ypatingai vaiko ir kas be ko motinos sveikatai - tai absurdas :oh
Darykites jus ta cezari jei taip jis jums atrodo patrauklus, bet ne irodinekite kad jis yra toks jau geris ypatingai vaiko ir kas be ko motinos sveikatai - tai absurdas :oh
Jei Jums rodos, kad tema uzvesta be reikalo, tai nesilankykite. Tema gyva, reiskia, reikalinga, aktuali.
O del absurdo- pagalvokite, ar tai ne Jus matote tai, ka norite matyti?
Is tikro jei nusprendet gimdyt cezario pagalba tai ir gimdykit. Nes cia jau nebe 'padiskutuokime kas geriau', o jusu atsimusinejimas po kiekvieno posto, kuriame pateikiami naturalaus gimdymo pliusai. Nenorit nieko girdet tai negirdekit.
Cezaris visada buvo ir yra taikomas tik tada kai yra kazkokios kliutys gimdyti naturaliai. Ir tas yra ne siaip sau. Savo, dar karta pasikartosiu, niekuo nepagristas baimes, paranojas ir pan. reikia tvarkyti pas kitus specialistus.
Cezaris visada buvo ir yra taikomas tik tada kai yra kazkokios kliutys gimdyti naturaliai. Ir tas yra ne siaip sau. Savo, dar karta pasikartosiu, niekuo nepagristas baimes, paranojas ir pan. reikia tvarkyti pas kitus specialistus.
