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„Savannah“ (Savana katė)

QUOTE(tiesiog3 @ 2009 03 26, 16:47)
[color=purple]Like other types of cats, Savannahs are usually very good


Na nenuostabu, kad veisėjai reklamuodami šias kates daug ką nutyli.. Nes dauguma užsima gryniausia komercija, nes žmonės pamišę dėl laukinės išvaizdos ir leopardinio kailio.

o va čia alternatyvi nuomonė:
[B]Savannah Cats - a very bad idea


The Savannah Cat, a cross between a serval and a domestic cat, is the newest pet craze sweeping the nation. Advertised extensively under the heading “a leopard for your living room”, the cat is marketed as having all the great traits of a domestic cat, and the beautiful markings of a leopard or other wildcat. But cross-breeding a wild cat and a domestic cat is always a bad idea.

The basic problem is that the cross-breed cats are very unpredictable in their behavior - they can be fine, then all of a sudden turn into wild cats – hissing, spitting, clawing, and attacking people and other pets. This sounds like normal cat behavior, but in the wildcat it is much worse, and the behaviors are ongoing, not an occasional ‘fit’. Some of the hybrids are clearly crazy from the word go, or sometimes, in rare cases, they are fine forever (although almost all of them have bad litterbox habits). Also, there are inevitable health problems, generally in the digestive system and the reproductive system. Male Savannah Cats, for instance, are sterile, so far. This is a problem because that means in every litter, there are kittens that are useless to breeders, and these get sold as pets to unsuspecting people. And, since servals are so much larger than domestic cats, birthing kittens is often difficult and infant mortality is high.

The digestive problems are because domestic cats have evolved a different diet than wild cats. Wild cats are obligate carnivores - they simply cannot get any nutrients from non-meat sources. Domestic cats need less meat and are slightly omnivorous. Not as much as dogs, but they can extract some value from vegetables. This is because they have a longer gut than wildcats relative to their size, which allows them more time to digest and get value from food. So when you hybridize a wild and domestic cat, one of three things will happen. You'll get a cat with a very short gut who has to eat an all-meat diet or it will start throwing up, having liquid stools, and losing weight. You'll get a cat with a longer gut, and it will be able to eat regular cat food. Most likely, you'll get a cat with something in the middle - usually a longer foregut, like a domestic cat, and a shorter hindgut, like a wild cat. These cats can't digest anything easily. They have severe IBS (irritable bowel syndrome), vomiting, uncontrollable diarrhea, gas... they are in constant distress. It's a miserable, miserable life. And since you can't really tell until they are fully weaned, and you have tried various diets and nothing works... by then most likely, if that cat is female and at a breeders, she will have been bred and the problem passed on.

Early generation hybrids are identified by the number of generations they are away from the original cross. So, a cross between a serval and a bengal is an F1 hybrid. The cross between that cat and either a serval or a bengal is an F2 cat. In general, F1 through F5 can be counted on to be a sick, demented, unhappy animal. Bengals have been accepted by some as a true breed, but it is required that they be at least five generations away from a F generation to qualify as a bengal (i.e. it must be a bengal to bengal breeding for five generations back). The problem there is that they begin to lose the spots at about that time. So breeders cross them back to the wildcat to get the pattern back, breed five generations of cats that can't be shown, and then get a show cat generation. And where do we think those five in-between generations go? They go to homes where people are not prepared to deal with the problems that come with a hybrid, and from there they usually go to the shelter to be euthanized.

It’s nice to think of having a cat that looks like a leopard or a tiger, but that can’t justify the misery associated with breeding these kind of hybrids. While there are some reputable, kind people working on creating them, the inevitable by-product of these efforts are frustrated owners, abandoned cats, and cats living a very poor quality of life. There are many beautiful cats at animal shelters worldwide, perfectly healthy and sweet-tempered, who need a home. I promise you that as soon as you bring him/her home, your rescued cat will be as beautiful, interesting, fun and lovable as any fancy hybrid. And if you are determined to have a “unique” cat, remember this: all cats are unique in their own way.

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http://www.bellaonli...les/art6211.asp
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http://www.bigcatres....htm#SuperFeral

ir dar šitą būtinai perskaitykit. Čia tik maža ištraukėlė apie hibridines kates:

"Even after 5 generations, that wild personality is a dominant trait and while it is marketed as being just like having a tiny tiger in your home, most people don't know what that really means. As someone who is not trying to sell you a $2000.00 kitten that you will one day take to the dog pound out of frustration, let me tell you what it is like to live with a hybrid.

We have a bunch of them that were former pets. We have had to turn away many, many more because most of them cannot run free outside and have to have the same cages as bobcats and cougars. They all spray. Male or female, neutered or not, first generation or fifth generation; I have never met one that didn't spray urine all over everything in their path.

They bite. Even in play, even if they love you, they bite and I have scars all over my hands to prove that their love nips will leave you bleeding. They want to eat your other pets and they don't care if it's a German shepherd, they are going to be constantly looking for a way to take the dog down.
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QUOTE(Seterių_mama @ 2009 03 26, 20:13)
Na nenuostabu, kad veisėjai reklamuodami šias kates daug ką nutyli.. Nes dauguma užsima gryniausia komercija, nes žmonės pamišę dėl laukinės išvaizdos ir leopardinio kailio.

o va čia alternatyvi nuomonė:
Savannah Cats - a very bad idea

The Savannah Cat, a cross between a serval and a domestic cat, is the newest pet craze sweeping the nation. Advertised extensively under the heading “a leopard for your living room”, the cat is marketed as having all the great traits of a domestic cat, and the beautiful markings of a leopard or other wildcat. But cross-breeding a wild cat and a domestic cat is always a bad idea.

The basic problem is that the cross-breed cats are very unpredictable in their behavior - they can be fine, then all of a sudden turn into wild cats – hissing, spitting, clawing, and attacking people and other pets. This sounds like normal cat behavior, but in the wildcat it is much worse, and the behaviors are ongoing, not an occasional ‘fit’. Some of the hybrids are clearly crazy from the word go, or sometimes, in rare cases, they are fine forever (although almost all of them have bad litterbox habits). Also, there are inevitable health problems, generally in the digestive system and the reproductive system. Male Savannah Cats, for instance, are sterile, so far. This is a problem because that means in every litter, there are kittens that are useless to breeders, and these get sold as pets to unsuspecting people. And, since servals are so much larger than domestic cats, birthing kittens is often difficult and infant mortality is high.

The digestive problems are because domestic cats have evolved a different diet than wild cats. Wild cats are obligate carnivores - they simply cannot get any nutrients from non-meat sources. Domestic cats need less meat and are slightly omnivorous. Not as much as dogs, but they can extract some value from vegetables. This is because they have a longer gut than wildcats relative to their size, which allows them more time to digest and get value from food. So when you hybridize a wild and domestic cat, one of three things will happen. You'll get a cat with a very short gut who has to eat an all-meat diet or it will start throwing up, having liquid stools, and losing weight. You'll get a cat with a longer gut, and it will be able to eat regular cat food. Most likely, you'll get a cat with something in the middle - usually a longer foregut, like a domestic cat, and a shorter hindgut, like a wild cat. These cats can't digest anything easily. They have severe IBS (irritable bowel syndrome), vomiting, uncontrollable diarrhea, gas... they are in constant distress. It's a miserable, miserable life. And since you can't really tell until they are fully weaned, and you have tried various diets and nothing works... by then most likely, if that cat is female and at a breeders, she will have been bred and the problem passed on.

Early generation hybrids are identified by the number of generations they are away from the original cross. So, a cross between a serval and a bengal is an F1 hybrid. The cross between that cat and either a serval or a bengal is an F2 cat. In general, F1 through F5 can be counted on to be a sick, demented, unhappy animal. Bengals have been accepted by some as a true breed, but it is required that they be at least five generations away from a F generation to qualify as a bengal (i.e. it must be a bengal to bengal breeding for five generations back). The problem there is that they begin to lose the spots at about that time. So breeders cross them back to the wildcat to get the pattern back, breed five generations of cats that can't be shown, and then get a show cat generation. And where do we think those five in-between generations go? They go to homes where people are not prepared to deal with the problems that come with a hybrid, and from there they usually go to the shelter to be euthanized.

It’s nice to think of having a cat that looks like a leopard or a tiger, but that can’t justify the misery associated with breeding these kind of hybrids. While there are some reputable, kind people working on creating them, the inevitable by-product of these efforts are frustrated owners, abandoned cats, and cats living a very poor quality of life. There are many beautiful cats at animal shelters worldwide, perfectly healthy and sweet-tempered, who need a home. I promise you that as soon as you bring him/her home, your rescued cat will be as beautiful, interesting, fun and lovable as any fancy hybrid. And if you are determined to have a “unique” cat, remember this: all cats are unique in their own way.

paimta iš čia:
http://www.bellaonli...les/art6211.asp

Na va,bet ko gero ir taip visi intuityviai suvokia kas cia per kates unsure.gif Bengalai beje kiek teko girdet irgi nepliusiniai zaisliukai ir megsta parodyt kieno ca virsus! Et bet ka as cia vien tik pliurpiu. Neturiu as tu savanu,neturiu o taip noriu! Gal jei gyvenime nusisypsos laime tai mielai pasidalinciau patirtimi o ne pliurpalais gathering.gif
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kiek zmoniu tiek nuomoniu.net ir paprasta kate gali but agresywi.nemanau kad reik iskart nusistatyt priesiskai.wienas gywunas gali but agresywus o kitas kaip tik draugiskas.kaip bebutu wisai noreciau tokios katytes
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Isiterpsiu i diskusija ir paerzinsiu nuotraukomis wink.gif
Mano internetiniai draugai gyvena Kanadoje ir augina servalu (ne savanu !) porele. Daug pasakojo apie savo augintinius. Ju servalu jau kruva (neatsimenu tiksliai skaiciaus) kartu gyvena pas zmones. Ty. jie nera domestikuotas variantas zoologinia prasme (ne hibridai) bet domestikuotas "zmogiskaja"prasme, nes n kartu gime/augo/gyveno su zmonemis.

Kai mano sunui bus kokie 6metai + kai jau turesiu nama + galimybe skirti daug laiko ir erdves savo katems butinai is situ zmoniu isigysiu servaliuka wink.gif (na mazumele turiu patirties, nes 2 metus pas mus gyveno absoliuciai laukinis katinas Felis bengalensis euptailura, kuriam buvo 6 metai ir kuriuos visus jis praleido ivairiuose zoo soduose. ir jis nebuvo "prijaukintas" ta placiaja prasme, bet mes visai draugiskai sugyvenom. teko jo atsisakyti kai as pastojau- rizikuoti savo ilgai laukto kudikio sveikata-gyvybe nesinorejo, nes, pasikartosiu katinas nebuvo "glostomasis" tongue.gif )

O dabar erzinu nuotraukomis wink.gif
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Šį pranešimą redagavo Nereali: 26 kovo 2009 - 20:42
Amerikoj yra praktikos ir tigrus laikyt "naminius". Kai kurie netgi nieko nenuzudo. Tai tikrai nera rodiklis.
Beje, Jus ir pati ankstesnese temose atkalbinedavote zmones nuo laukiniu kaciu auginimo ir pasakojote apie savo sunkumus su tuo "katineliu".
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Šį pranešimą redagavo Arven: 26 kovo 2009 - 20:44
QUOTE(Nereali @ 2009 03 26, 21:41)
Isiterpsiu i diskusija ir paerzinsiu nuotraukomis wink.gif
Mano internetiniai draugai gyvena Kanadoje ir augina servalu (ne savanu !) porele. Daug pasakojo apie savo augintinius. Ju servalu jau kruva (neatsimenu tiksliai skaiciaus) kartu gyvena pas zmones. Ty. jie nera domestikuotas variantas zoologinia prasme (ne hibridai) bet domestikuotas "zmogiskaja"prasme, nes n kartu gime/augo/gyveno su zmonemis.
Kai mano sunui bus kokie 6metai + kai jau turesiu nama + galimybe skirti daug laiko ir erdves savo katems butinai is situ zmoniu isigysiu servaliuka wink.gif (na mazumele turiu patirties, nes 2 metus pas mus gyveno absoliuciai laukinis katinas Felis bengalensis euptailura, kuriam buvo 6 metai ir kuriuos visus jis praleido ivairiuose zoo soduose. ir jis nebuvo "prijaukintas" ta placiaja prasme, bet mes visai draugiskai sugyvenom. teko jo atsisakyti kai as pastojau- rizikuoti savo ilgai laukto kudikio sveikata-gyvybe nesinorejo, nes, pasikartosiu katinas nebuvo "glostomasis"  tongue.gif )

Ka ir noriu pasakyti!!!
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As tai asmeniskai leipstu nuo serval o savanos kates vis tik per pus ar net daugiau kates! Nu turi jie ta charakteri, turi o kas jo neturi! Stai mano krikstamote turejo siama tai ir ranka ir koja teko chirurgams siuti doh.gif O jau mylimas ir lepinamas buvo! Sunku suprast kuom neitiko doh.gif Yra internete daug video apie servalus tai paziurejus tikrai susidaro ispudis kad butu galima sugyvent smile.gif
QUOTE(Nereali @ 2009 03 26, 21:41)
Isiterpsiu i diskusija ir paerzinsiu nuotraukomis wink.gif
Mano internetiniai draugai gyvena Kanadoje ir augina servalu (ne savanu !) porele. Daug pasakojo apie savo augintinius. Ju servalu jau kruva (neatsimenu tiksliai skaiciaus) kartu gyvena pas zmones. Ty. jie nera domestikuotas variantas zoologinia prasme (ne hibridai) bet domestikuotas "zmogiskaja"prasme, nes n kartu gime/augo/gyveno su zmonemis.

Kai mano sunui bus kokie 6metai + kai jau turesiu nama + galimybe skirti daug laiko ir erdves savo katems butinai is situ zmoniu isigysiu servaliuka wink.gif (na mazumele turiu patirties, nes 2 metus pas mus gyveno absoliuciai laukinis katinas Felis bengalensis euptailura, kuriam buvo 6 metai ir kuriuos visus jis praleido ivairiuose zoo soduose. ir jis nebuvo "prijaukintas" ta placiaja prasme, bet mes visai draugiskai sugyvenom. teko jo atsisakyti kai as pastojau- rizikuoti savo ilgai laukto kudikio sveikata-gyvybe nesinorejo, nes, pasikartosiu katinas nebuvo "glostomasis"  tongue.gif )

O dabar erzinu nuotraukomis wink.gif

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Šį pranešimą redagavo Arven: 26 kovo 2009 - 22:03
QUOTE(Arven @ 2009 03 26, 22:57)
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o ta antra is nuotrauku tai video maciau cia is tibeto kur vienuoliai vienuolyne tigrus globoja! fainuoliai tie Lamos! Lenkiu galva pries tokias zinias ir realiai praktikuojama Ahimsos filosofija!!!!!
Gaila kad neturiu nuorodu i ta video unsure.gif Nuotraukytej tai tikra idile o video tai matytumet kaip po nusifotografavimo ja draugas tempia kuo greiciau tepti slides is ten lotuliukas.gif Net vienuoliai issizioje spoksojo thumbup.gif Tubut nelabai suprato tokiu baimiu lotuliukas.gif lotuliukas.gif lotuliukas.gif
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QUOTE(Seterių_mama @ 2009 03 26, 20:13)
Na nenuostabu, kad veisėjai reklamuodami šias kates daug ką nutyli.. Nes dauguma užsima gryniausia komercija, nes žmonės pamišę dėl laukinės išvaizdos ir leopardinio kailio.
o va čia alternatyvi nuomonė:
Savannah Cats - a very bad idea


O kas gali pasakyti, kad si alternatyvi nuomone yra teisinga, o ne konkurencijos isdava? g.gif

QUOTE(Vaidameskyte @ 2009 03 26, 20:34)
Tiesiog3 ar dar norisi savaniuku? 000189.gif

taip, noreciau smile.gif wub.gif mano galva is viso, galima zinoma tureti savo nuomone (ir labai sveikintina) taciau nereiketu smerkti tu, kurie turi kita nuomone .. gerbiu Arven nuomone, nes tai jos pozicija ... bet .. siuo butent atveju, jeigu as isigyciau savanos kate, tai rizikuociau tik as pati ... ne kaimynas, ne drauge ar dar kazkas.. taigi, siaip tai ir butu mano asmeninis apsisprendimo reikalas ... nesakau, kad stacia galva pulciau ..kai yra tokios dvi priesingos nuomones, paprasciausiai pries apsispresdama, as tiesiog pasidomeciau kaip is tikruju yra pas AUGINANCIUS sias kates smile.gif


QUOTE(Nereali @ 2009 03 26, 21:41)
Isiterpsiu i diskusija ir paerzinsiu nuotraukomis wink.gif


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Arven, tigrai man pasakisko grozio gyvunai nuo pat mazumes ... wub.gif
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